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BEST ACTOR OSCAR-WINNER Jeff Bridges: The Hollywood Flashback Interview

2010 Best Actor Academy Award-winner Jeff Bridges.

Editor’s Note: Congratulations to Jeff Bridges for finally getting his props with last night's win for "Crazy Heart"! He's now officially lost the title of "Most Underrated Actor of His Generation." In the spirit of Jeff's victory, we at The Interview thought it appropriate to share this article, which originally appeared in the July 1999 issue of Venice Magazine. Enjoy, and well-done, Jeff!

BUILDING BRIDGES
By
Alex Simon


Jeff Bridges is arguably the most underrated great American actor since the late Robert Ryan. A performer of incredible range, whose myriad of characterizations over the past 30 years leave the filmgoer with a continued sense of awe and admiration, Bridges' refusal to fit a mold on-screen might be the very thing that has kept him from becoming a conventional movie star. It's also the thing that has kept his work so fascinating, and so brilliant.

Born into a show business family as the second son of the late Lloyd Bridges and his wife Dorothy, Jeff came into the world December 4, 1949 in Los Angeles and made his first screen appearance at the age of four months, playing the infant in Jane Greer's arms in The Company She Keeps (1950). Bridges appeared on TV's "Sea Hunt" with his father eight years later and was an occasional performer, with older brother Beau, on "The Lloyd Bridges Show" in 1962.

After a stint in the Coast Guard Reserve and drama studies at New York's Herbert Berghof Studio, Jeff made his adult film debut in Halls of Anger, a B picture about student unrest, in 1970. This was followed by the unseen The Yin and Yang of Mr. Go (1970). Having paid his dues with two minor films, Jeff hit pay dirt with the classic The Last Picture Show (1971), portraying Duane, the town football hero and love of local bad girl Cybill Shepherd in Peter Bogdonavich's portrait of a small Texas town in the early 1950's. Bridges was nominated for an Academy Award as Best Supporting Actor for his breakthrough role, and he hasn't stopped working since. Other film highlights include John Huston's Fat City (1972), Robert Benton's Bad Company (1972), The Last American Hero and John Frankenheimer's film of Eugene O'Neil's The Iceman Cometh (both 1973). The Clint Eastwood actioner Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974, Jeff's second Oscar nomination for Best Supporting Actor), Rancho Deluxe (1975), Bob Rafelson's Stay Hungry (1976), Heaven's Gate (1980), Cutter's Way (1981), Tron (1982), Against All Odds (1984) and John Carpenter's Starman (also 1984, nominated for Best Actor), Jagged Edge (1985), Francis Ford Coppola's Tucker (1988), The Fabulous Baker Boys (1989), The Fisher King (1991), American Heart (1993), Peter Weir's Fearless (1993), and the Coen Brothers' comedy The Big Lebowski (1998). Jeff's production company, Asis Productions, produced the Showtime movie "Hidden In America" (1996), starring brother Beau, which dealt with hunger in America, a subject close to Jeff's heart. The film received a Golden Globe nomination in 1996 for Best TV/Cable Film and earned a Screen Actor's Guild award for Beau as Best Actor. Jeff, who moved his family to Santa Barbara after the '94 Northridge earthquake ("It turned out we had our own private fault line around the old house"), is also a gifted musician, and is putting the finishing touches on his first CD (backed by David Crosby and Michael McDonald), as well as being a prolific photographer. An exhibit of his photos is currently on display at the Museum of Contemporary Photography in Santa Monica.

The prolific Mr. Bridges has two new films on deck this summer: the home-grown terrorism thriller Arlington Road in which he co-stars with Tim Robbins and Joan Cusak, and Albert Brooks' scathing new comedy The Muse, co-starring Brooks, Sharon Stone and Andie MacDowell. Both films hit screens in July.

One would assume, based on his numerous portrayals of good guys, that Jeff Bridges would be a good guy in person. In fact, Jeff is so cool, laid-back and unassuming, that a bite to eat with him after a photo session feels like a friendly lunch with your next door neighbor or old college buddy. After a few bites of pasta, you forget you're talking to one of the world's great actors and almost want to ask him if he'd like to fire up a stogie and watch the playoffs on the big screen while you polish off the last of your old man's imported beer. We didn't, but it was tempting...

Arlington Road reminded me of the great paranoid thrillers of the 70's, like The Parallax View (1974).
Jeff Bridges: Yeah, I responded really strongly to the script right away when I read it. It was one of those situations where the writer was always ahead of you. The twists and turns were amazing. I read it completely cold, didn't know anything about it. It was a wonderful read just for that reason. Also, I knew Tim Robbins was involved and I had always admired his work, and knew this would be an opportunity to work with him, although when I read it, we weren't sure who was going to play what part. Tim's wonderful to work with. He's a really generous actor.

Your character was sort of a classic Hitchcock everyman thrown into an extraordinary situation.
Yeah, it had a lot of Hitchcockian elements, which I also liked. (Director) Mark Pellington was another reason I wanted to be involved. I met with him and saw a wonderful documentary he did on his father. The way he shot it was a real plus.

With your character in The Muse, you couldn't have two more different guys. Did you base your character of the wildly successful screenwriter on anyone?
(laughs) I was told that he was based on Jim Brooks (Terms of Endearment, As Good As It Gets), who is a good friend of Albert's. I've never met Jim Brooks, but this character was great fun, and I'm a big fan of Albert's. I loved Lost In America (1985), and a lot of his other films. People wonder how Hollywood works, and it's true that people in this town are always looking for that "special thing." I think the idea that there's this muse, feeding the writer ideas and inspiration is a wonderful one. And maybe it's true...(laughs)

Were you drawn to acting from an early age? When you were hanging out on the "Sea Hunt" set, did you know that this is what you wanted to do?
Not really. I was carried on-screen when I was six months old by Jane Greer, then worked with her again in Against All Odds, 30 some-odd years later. The scene where she carried me on, I had to be crying. And I was a real happy baby, so my mother instructed Jane to just pinch me to make me cry. So 30 years later, in Against All Odds, I went up to Jane before a really emotional scene and said "Could you just give me a little pinch?" (laughs)

Did it work a second time?
Yeah, it did. She's a wonderful actress, Jane Greer. She was in the film that Against All Odds is based on (Out of the Past, 1947), and her performance was so wonderful, so understated, especially for the times. It was a particularly bizarre shoot for us, though. Remember that Rachel Ward and I had some pretty torrid love scenes? All that stuff in Mexico was shot while she was on her honeymoon! (groans and laughs) Luckily her husband, Bryan Brown, is also a wonderful actor, and a very understanding one!

How do you wife and kids react when you have to do a torrid love scene on film?
I think it probably makes them feel uncomfortable more when people ask them about it, and how they feel. My wife is very supportive. I almost feel like she should get a credit up on the screen along with me. But you were asking about when I decided to act...I had done quite a few pictures before I finally decided to act full time. For a long time I had wanted to get into music...actually all my music is kind of resurfacing now. One of the great things about living up in Santa Barbara is that there are so many great musicians up there. So, I'm making an album. I've started a record label and am releasing it myself. It's a mix of rock, jazz, some reggae-type stuff. Three songs were written by a wonderful songwriter named John Goodwin, who's my oldest friend. We grew up together. Michael McDonald and David Crosby are my backup singers! (laughs)

Not too shabby.
No. We've been having a great time. So after thirty-five years of writing songs, it's finally come around. I play piano and guitar in the band.

Didn't your dad do some musical theater?
Yeah, he replaced Richard Kiley in Man of La Mancha and did Sky Masterson in Guys and Dolls. He used to love to sing.

He also was a wonderful Shakespearian actor, right? He must've found it frustrating, always getting cast as action heroes.
Yeah, he loved doing Shakespeare. But he pulled off "Sea Hunt" so well, people actually thought he was a real diver, that he was Mike Nelson! So he was typecast as that. Years later, when I was doing Blown Away, there was this part of my uncle. So I talked the producers, and said, 'I know this really terrific actor named Lloyd Bridges who'd be perfect for this.' And they thought about it and said "Yeah but, isn't he really more of a comedic actor, like in Airplane?'"He pulled that off so well, spoofing himself, that finally that's how he was typecast.

Let's go back to how you decided to stick with acting.
I remember the moment. It was right after The Last American Hero. Usually after a film, because acting uses a certain emotional muscle, I feel pretty wiped out and don't want to act right away again. Thank God that feeling passes! (laughs) So my agent called me, and said that John Frankenheimer was doing a film of The Iceman Cometh with Robert Ryan, Lee Marvin and Frederic March and wanted me to be in it. I said 'No man, I want to get back to my music. I've got other things I want to do.' A couple hours later, Lamont Johnson, who'd just directed me in The Last American Hero called and just read me the riot act: "You call yourself an actor?! How can you turn down this opportunity to work with these masters of your craft?!" So I decided to do a little experiment on myself to see if I really wanted to make this my full time job. I figured professionals are supposed to do it, even if they don't feel like it. So that's what I'll do. And it turned out to be a really great experience. It was all shot on one set. Usually on a film you might rehearse for a week or two then spent eight or ten weeks shooting. On this, we rehearsed for eight weeks and shot for two weeks. It was all of us sitting around a table, all these great actors. All my scenes were with Robert Ryan, who's a guy who kind of stands alone. He's such an underrated actor. So it was hanging out with all these great actors and learning from them. It was kind of like a play that we could have taken on the road. John Frankenheimer did such a masterful job of shooting it, keeping the camera moving. The cameras used these huge magazines that could do ten minute takes...I'm not that knocked out by my performance, looking back (laughs). But it was great working with all those guys, and working with them made me realize that this is what I wanted to do.

Let's start with The Last Picture Show. Apparently there was as much drama going on behind the cameras as in front.
It was a great experience. I was 19 or 20 years old, getting to do kissing scenes with Cybill Shepherd...

That must've been tough.
(laughs) Oh yeah, it was. Everyone was in love with her. Peter (Bogdanovich) was so wonderful. The cinematographer, Robert Surtees, was incredible. He was a true master. The whole cast was great. I always felt that Tim Bottoms never got enough acclaim for his work in that picture. He's a wonderful actor. My favorite scene in that movie is the last scene between he and Cloris in her kitchen...Peter had such courage as a director to let the silence in the scenes just hang there. It was amazing. We had a great time going back 20 years later to do Texasville (1990), which was also written by Larry McMurtry. It was just like we'd had a long weekend, and then came back to work...Larry McMurtry just wrote a new book, the third installment, called "Duane's Despressed." (laughs)

He's turning into John Updike. Your character is like Rabbit.
That's right! (laughs) I'm looking forward to reading the book, hoping that down the line we can all get together and do it again, although Texasville didn't do that well, so it might be kind of tough. Peter's original idea for Texasville was to have it on a double bill with The Last Picture Show, which would have been interesting, but that never happened.

Tell us about working with John Huston.
I'm flooded with so many memories...the first thing I remember is the interview. I think Beau got me that gig. Huston thought he was too old for the part, so Beau said 'Why don't you check out my younger brother?' So I had the interview in Madrid, Spain. The night that I landed, I met this girl in the lobby and she took me out on the town and we ate all this great seafood, drank and really had a ball. The next morning I was feeling rather peculiar. All of the sudden when I got to the interview, it turned out that I was really sick. It turned out that I had food poisoning, from the shellfish. The interview was at this museum. John showed me all this fine art while I was vomiting with my mouth closed and swallowing it, trying to maintain! (laughs) He didn't notice at all, just kept showing me all his favorite paintings! I went back to the hotel and was so weak, I couldn't pick up the phone to call for help. Who saved my life, but James Mason, who was staying at the hotel and with whom I'd done a rather obscure picture called The Yin and Yang of Mr. Go, which was directed by Burgess Meredith. Funny story about that: James played a Chinese Mexican in the film...the money fell through and we finally all had to leave Hong Kong and come home. Fifteen years later, I'm flipping through a film catalogue and there's the film! I called Burgess and we had a screening. It was the saddest, funniest thing I've ever been involved in. All the scenes that we left out, they made cartoons out of! (laughs) Then they invented another character played by Broderick Crawford and just spliced him in! (imitating Crawford) "Yeah, I saw him over there, over at Sally's!" Then they'd have a cartoon of me and James Mason...we were laughing and crying at the same time, because this was Burgess' baby.

Let's talk about your photography.
I've been taking pictures for years now, usually on the sets of my movies and at the end of the shoots, I make up books of the pictures and give them to everyone as souvenirs. I've been using a Widelux camera, which is a panoramic camera, sort of what a letterboxed film looks like on video or DVD. I'm putting together a coffetable book of pictures which should be available in a year or so. I'm also getting into the web a little bit, and have a website up (http://www.jeffbridges.com/) if people are interested in what's cooking with either one of those things. It's funny, because I'm not a computer guy at all. I was sucked into a computer in Tron once, but that's another story. (laughs)

Tell us about working with Clint Eastwood on Thunderbolt and Lightfoot.
Well, it was Michael (The Deer Hunter, 1978 Best Picture) Cimino's first film. Clint produced it, and was giving Michael a directorial shot after he'd written Magnum Force (with John Milius) for Clint before that. It was the first film I did up in Montana, and I fell in love with that state. Later, I bought some property and built a house up there. It was a great experience. Clint likes doing very few takes, one, maybe two at most, whereas Michael likes to do a lot, but couldn't since Clint was the producer. So there was one scene where I wasn't happy with the way it was going, and we'd already done a couple takes. So I went to Michael, and said I wanted to do it again. Everyone got really nervous, including Michael, who said "I don't know man, I'm gonna have to ask the boss," meaning Clint. So this hush sort of falls over the set when Clint comes back. He looks around, looks at me, looks at Michael and says "Give the kid another try." (laughs)

How different was Cimino on Heaven's Gate? Did it feel like a disaster?
No, not at all, and I still think it's a terrific film. Michael was very hot off The Deer Hunter, which had won all these awards, so he pretty much had free reign to do as he pleased. He'd shoot dozens of takes, sometimes 50 or 60. The problem with that is, you never know on which take you really have to be "on" as an actor and it sort of threw a lot of us out of synch. The other thing I remember was during the big shoot-out at the end, we all had to ride in a circle, half going one way and half the other. Now most of these guys playing cowboys were real Montana cowboys. And Michael must've had us do two dozen takes of riding around in circles--right at each other! I remember right before every take just going 'Please God, let me live through this one!" (laugh) One of the saddest memories I have making films is going to the premiere of the film in New York and the reviews the next morning. And that terrible sound of a smattering of applause at the end. I notice that every time I've seen the film, I enjoy it more. I think that might be a function of starting to relax into the film's pace, knowing what I'm in store for. I think it's very American, especially nowadays, to be used to seeing cut, cut, cut up on the screen. Even if you're not realizing what's making you uncomfortable, that's what it probably is...a big part of how much a person enjoys a film is what they know about it going in, either from the trailer, the ad in the newspaper or the reviews. And with Heaven's Gate, the reviews were so terrible! Talk about preparation going to see a film! And the reviews were so personal. One review said "If they shaved Michael Cimino's head, they'd find three 6's." I mean, what the fuck is that?! It'll be interesting to see, 10 or 20 years from now, how that film is received. On a positive note, Cimino gave me the whorehouse and that barn on that huge ranch at the end of the shoot, and that's now my house in Montana. The barn's my studio.

Winter Kills is a really crazy, interesting movie.
Yeah...boy. That was another first-time director, Bill Richert. It was all kind of a fictitious version of what happened with the Kennedy clan, sort of crossed similar territory that Oliver Stone's movie did ten years later, in a sort of weird way. That was an interesting film because, here's this young director, who was so charismatic...do you remember the cast he assembled? John Huston, Elizabeth Taylor, Toshiro Mifune, Sterling Hayden, Thomas Milian, Jack Elam, Belinda Bauer, Richard Boone...just a wild, wild cast! He got all these people just out of his sheer excitement about the project. It was interesting on a lot of levels. I had a chance to work with John Huston as an actor as opposed to a director, which was quite different. During Fat City he kind of kept me on my heels. He and Stacy Keach, who did the lead, were very close, but he kept me on my heels, saying things like (as Huston) "We've scheduled some fights for you, Jeff. We're going to turn you pro..." I was so in awe of him. During Winter Kills it was just the opposite. We sort of hung out and you always got the feeling that he was giving the actors lessons in how to work with a director. He was so deferential to Bill Richert, who'd never directed a film before. He was really wonderful. I feel so blessed to have worked with him on both those films. I keep waiting for an opportunity to work with Angelica now, I love her work so much.

Beau starred in Hal Ashby's first movie (The Landlord, 1970) and you starred in his last (8 Million Ways to Die, 1986). Tell us about Hal Ashby.
He was really one of my favorite directors I've ever worked with, a real master, and such "art balls." He would have such faith in the actors and himself and the whole process, that he would be so relaxed that it would seem to an outside person that he was unprepared. It was really just this faith in the artistic process. You just have to look at his work to see it. One of the sad, and tragic things about 8 Million Ways to Die, was the producer had hired this brilliant director who presented the script to me. I said 'Why does Hal want to do this? It seems like kind of a cop, shoot-em up picture.' Hal said "No, no. I want to get into the character's obsession with alcohol, and a whole different thing. I don't really know why I want to do it, which is maybe why I want to do it. The only way I'm going to figure out why is to get inside and examine it." I was eager to work with him, so I got in there. The way he worked, I can understand why the money guys would get frustrated. He would throw out a lot of the script and do a lot of improvisation. Coming from being an editor, which is another great place for a director to come from, he would draw on that skill. I remember him saying the secret to being a great editor is to making yourself so familiar with all the film that you've got, and just sit there and go over, and over every single piece. So the producer was on the set often, had no respect for Hal's process at all. Hal was very smart when one of the producer's guys came to the set to spy on Hal. Hal hired him into his camp to be my technical adviser because he was a recovering alcoholic! He was a wealth of information and most of my speeches were worked out with him...somehow, miraculously, Hal shot the film the way he wanted to shoot it. Then it got down to the last weeks of shooting, with a few days left, and the producer comes down and says "You've got one more day." So Hal, very brilliantly, made us all feel like we had all the time in the world. He let Andy Garcia, whose first film this was, do a bunch of takes for the bit he did on the phone. He wouldn't rush him. He said "Let him discover the scene." And at the end of the day, Hal got everything he needed! Hal was going to take some time off and he gave the film to his editor. The producer came in, fired Hal, came after the negative, then proceeded to cut the entire film against the grain that Hal shot it. Hal was making all these editorial choices in the camera while he was shooting. I remember asking Hal 'Are we going to do much looping in this film?' Hal said "I've never looped a film in my life! I'm an editor. I know how to take a razor blade, shave the emulsion off the film, and splice sound in." I ended up looping about 100 lines after the producer re-cut it. It broke Hal's heart, it really did...We didn't know that he was sick at the time, but he probably was.

Cutter's Way is a very underrated film.
Yeah, I think so, too. Ivan Passer directed it, who's wonderful. We shot it up in Santa Barbara, which is when I really fell in love with it. Ivan was, I don't want to say passive, but he said very little and created this wonderful sort of atmosphere where it could all take place. Jordan Cronenweth shot it beautifully and Jack Nietzsche did a beautiful score done entirely with German women playing champagne glasses. It was amazing. John Heard gave a really remarkable performance. He should have been nominated for an Academy Award.

What was it like acting against a computer in Tron?
It was a mammoth undertaking. It was shot on 70 mm, black and white, then hand-tinted in Korea. At the time it was very innovative, although I think it looks kind of dated now. Wendy Carlos did a great score for it. It was maddening, man. It was a long shoot, four months. I had to go to work every day and put on a dance belt, which is like a jock strap with only one strap--right up your ass! So sitting down or doing any sort of...it was terrible, man. All the sets were black velvet and we were wearing white clothes. After a month in there...I wish they'd explored the love triangle a little more.

How did you approach your characterization in Starman?
I remember going in and reading for John Carpenter. I almost gave myself one of these adjustments that actors give themselves. It was almost like I became a small being inside this huge body and I had to kind of steer it around, you know? I was always trying to "act appropriate," as human as possible. If he was crossing his legs, his legs would be crossed, but his weight wouldn't be quite on them because they weren't being crossed for the same reason that we humans would cross them.

He almost seemed like a baby.
Yeah, and I thought if I could get that initial scene when he's being born, if I could get that together and make that as real as possible, then it would just be a process of him getting more and more human towards the end. I have a dancer friend. One of the things I do to prepare for roles is get a role model, so I'll look through my phone book and find someone who reminds me of the person I'm about to play. So with Starman, I looked through my book for strange friends who I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they were an alien. (laughs) So I came across this guy named Russell Clark who I'd been friends with for years. So I had the studio hire him and we worked for about a week and videoed the work, doing a lot of body work for the birth scene. One of my fond memories of making that film was, I was in my study, reviewing all the tapes I'd made. And I was in there, naked, doing that opening scene of Starman's birth and my wife opened the door, came in, and saw me huddled in the corner, nude. (laughs) She had a very strange expression on her face and very quietly closed the door and left me alone! And also my daughters were small at that time, and I observed how they were in their bodies. I looked at different birds also, that kind of thing.

Who was your role model for your character in Jagged Edge?
I read a book by M. Scott Peck called "People of the Lie." And it was his study of evil people and what evil was all about. It was about selfishness, putting the self above everything else. So that book helped me a lot. As far as people I modeled him after, I really looked into myself, my own dark side for that. I tried to imagine what it would be like to be a sociopath. There's something about that idea that's very attractive to most of us, to do just exactly what you want to do. To just satisfy your own impulses. To me the theme of that character was what that kind of evil costs, because ultimately what we all want is love. To be loved and to express love. Of course when you're that evil and self-concerned, you're the most unloveable that you can be. What you really want, you can't have, because you can't let somebody know who you really are.

On the opposite end of the spectrum from that character was Preston Tucker. He was a really fascinating guy. It was also the first time in a feature film that you got to work with your dad.
That's right. One of the remarkable things about doing that film, was that it was done with the blessing of the entire Tucker clan. I was able to ask them things like 'What was the expression on your father's face during the trial?' So it was really great to have that support from the family. Another interesting thing that happened, about a week into the film I was doing the scene where I get very upset with my crew and I'm trying to get them to finish the car and I was supposed to bang my fist on the bulletin board...the last rehearsal before the take, I hit the thing too hard, and I just felt my hand break. I thought 'Oh shit, I'm gonna be fired now and they're gonna replace me...' I had to go right to the hospital. They put it in a removable cast and I told Francis (Coppola) that I wanted to keep shooting and that I'd try to hide the other hand. So I did the take again, and almost broke my other hand! So for the rest of that film, I had to act with a broken hand, and Preston Tucker was almost Italian with his hand gestures! Plus there were lots of crowd scenes where I had to shake hands with people...it was tough. There's only one scene now where I notice the cast, where I'm spinning around in a chair in an ice cream parlor. But nobody ever noticed it, and I had to use all my willpower not to mention it when I was doing press for the film.

How was it working with your dad on that?
It was wonderful. I'm so glad that Francis hired him. I don't know that you're ever a peer with your father, but...he was my teacher and everything, so we approached the work in a very similar way. He approached the work with so much joy. He loved the process. It was so much fun just pretending with him like that. We'd come up with ideas for each other. We had a wonderful time.

How was it doing Baker Boys with Beau?
That was a dream, both to get to work with Beau, and also with Michelle (Pfeiffer). Steve Kloves, the director, must have written that when he was about 24 years-old. It's one of my favorite films that I've ever done. Another great element of that was the producer, Mark Rosenberg, who was a champion for Steve and held out for him to direct the film.

Was it tough playing someone who was such a shit to his brother? I know you and Beau are very close.
Unfortunately I got a little out of hand during that fight scene. We cut the shit out of ourselves on that chain link fence. During the fight scene, we didn't have a word to say to each other during the scene in case things went too far that would get us to stop. When I'm about to break his fingers, he was saying "No! Stop it! Stop it!" (laughs) I thought he was acting, man! And he wound up having to go to the hospital that night. (laughs) I don't think I broke his fingers, but I sure sprained them badly.

Payback time for little brother?
(laughs) That's right! He used to tease me unmercifully when we were kids.

I think one of your best films is Peter Weir's Fearless.
It was a really remarkable experience working with Peter. He such a wonderful person and a wonderful director. He's very inclusive, really encourages the actors to give as much as they can to the project. I remember one time I found myself being moved to go out and buy myself a lot of art supplies and I found myself pasting all these drawings up on the wall to try to draw what my feelings about the plane crash were. I drew all these crazy, kind of swirling things, then presented them to Peter the next day. He incorporated a lot of them into the film. He's very musical. He loves music so much and would always have music on the set while we were working. He would have a big boom box with tapes that he would play to not only put the actors, but the crew into the mood that he was trying to create. He would also bring the boom box into the screening room when we watched dailies that day, so he would score the dailies! He also assembled a lot of people who had survived plane crashes for us to speak to, and that was very helpful. Also, speaking about role models again, another fella who was very helpful during that was Gary Busey, who's an old buddy of mine. He had read the script and was very moved by it, and wanted to be a part of it because he felt he'd been given a new chance at life after his motorcycle accident. He helped me out a lot.

Was your character of The Dude in The Big Lebowski based on any of the people you grew up with here in L.A.?
Yeah, myself! (laughs) Probably about 50% of The Dude's wardrobe was out of my closet: the jelly shoes, a lot of the t-shirts.

Tell us about your philanthropic work.
I've been involved with an organization called The End Hunger Network for about 20 years now. Originally it started out to be about the issue of world hunger, but over the last 10 years we've shifted our focus to hunger here in the United States because it's gotten so bad. It's hard to imagine that, but the United States ranks last among the top 23 industrialized nations in how it takes care of its poor and its hungry. It's really mind-boggling. You read the paper about how the economy is booming and how many jobs we all have. I keep reading on to find where they mention all the hungry people we have here, and it doesn't say anything about that. So we've shifted our focus here, specifically to children. One out of five of our kids live below the poverty line here in the U.S. and poverty and hungry have a very close relationship. So we're working with other hunger organizations and are in the process of forming a new coalition to bring about political changes. One of the reason it's gotten so bad over the years is that all the programs that were doing such a wonderful job feeding the hungry in our country have had their support systems shot to hell. So we're trying to do a lot of lobbying to inform the public about what's going on. One thing I'm really proud of is a movie called Hidden in America that I produced starring my brother Beau. It was a tough assignment because we didn't want to make a long (public service announcement) about hunger, but a story that generally moved people. Everyone did a wonderful job. Martin Bell and Peter Silverman, who respectively directed and wrote American Heart, directed and wrote Hidden. We're getting Hidden out to 20,000 schools along with a study guide that we've also made to teach kids about this issue. The cure for hunger is all in place. We know how to end it. It's just a matter of getting support for the programs that will put it in place. There's a web site, endhunger.com, that people can go to if they'd like to get involved.

Did you get your social conscience from your parents?
I think so, yeah. My parents have always always viewed themselves as part of the family of man, one big family, and have related to others that way. My father worked with CARE in Africa for a while, which was very inspiring to me. I turned him on to the whole hunger issue and the next week he tells me "Yeah, I'm going to Africa with CARE." (laughs) He was amazing that way.
What's next on your slate?
I'm working on something I'm really excited about called The Contender. It's being directed by a fella named Rod Lurie, who's a former film critic. Most critics, I always found myself thinking 'Well, you didn't like that movie, what can you come up with, hot shot?' you know? (laughs) He came up with a brilliant script. I saw another piece of his that he directed that I was very impressed with, so I'm excited about it. Rod got into the business with the idea that he would become a filmmaker, so he became a critic first, taking the same route as François Truffaut and Peter Bogdonavich. Joan Allen and Gary Oldman are in it, also and they're both amazing. We start shooting in mid-August, and until then I'm finishing my overdubs for the album, so I can get it out sometime over the summer.

Cybill Shepherd: The Hollywood Interview

Actress Cybill Shepherd.


CYBILL SHEPHERD: THE COMEBACK KID
By
Alex Simon


If you’re a man (or to be fair, a woman) of a certain generation, odds are that Cybill Shepherd was one of those women that gave you some of your earliest, yummiest impure thoughts that left little question as to which side of the sexual fence you lay. Born February 18, 1950 in Memphis, Tennessee, this southern belle was named Model of the Year in 1968, and was one of the country’s leading cover girls when, after seeing one of those covers, director Peter Bogdanovich plucked Shepherd from the modeling world and made her an overnight sensation with her turn in his classic “The Last Picture Show” (1971). Shepherd’s portrayal of a manipulative small town beauty queen won her accolades from audiences and critics alike. Shepherd followed “Picture Show” with another terrific turn in Elaine May’s “The Heartbreak Kid” the following year, and scored big in another classic, Martin Scorsese’s “Taxi Driver,” in 1976.

But Shepherd has also had a Phoenix-like ability to survive some disastrous careers choices, such as turns in former boyfriend Bogdanovich’s legendary misfires “Daisy Miller” (1974) and “At Long Last Love” (1975), the former which caused the dissolution of The Director’s Company, a seemingly-can’t lose partnership between Bogdanovich, Francis Ford Coppola and William Friedkin, then the three top directors in Hollywood. In the late '70s, Shepherd left L.A. for a return to her native Memphis following her split from Bogdanovich, where she married and gave birth to her first child, daughter Clementine Ford. Shepherd didn’t appear in another film for four years, until the TV-movie “The Yellow Rose” in 1983, but hit paydirt with the seminal ‘80s TV hit “Moonlighting,” which also made a sensation of co-star Bruce Willis. Shepherd very skillfully reinvented herself as a glamorous comedienne, of the Carole Lombard mold, with her portrait of Maddie Hayes, a former model-turned-private eye.

Once “Moonlighting” ended in 1990, Shepherd followed with a string of feature films, some good (“Chances Are”) some not so (the ill-fated “Picture Show” sequel “Texasville”), but found redemption once again on the small screen in 1995 with “Cybill,” a semi-autobiographical look at Shepherd’s own life, with a screwball comedy spin that combined the antics of “I Love Lucy” with a daring progressiveness in dealing with women’s issues such as sexuality, menopause and childbirth that pre-dated “Sex and the City” by three years. It also got Shepherd (who co-exec produced the show) and her creators in continual hot water with CBS censors. That, combined with other issues discussed below, got the show axed by the network, quite unceremoniously, when “Cybill” was at the peak of its popularity. Never released into syndication, the first season of “Cybill” arrives on DVD September 16 from First Look Studios. Shepherd published her very funny, and very frank, memoir “Cybill Disobedience” in 2000, to big sales and warm reviews, many praising her for the warts-and-all portraits of herself, and those she’s worked with.

The past year has been another busy one of reinvention for Shepherd, whose recurring turn on Showtime’s hit series “The L Word” has earned her an entirely new fan base. She also has three feature films in the can, and a new website (www.cybill.com) to her credit. Cybill Shepherd sat down with us recently to discuss her remarkable career as one of Hollywood’s greatest continual comeback stories.

Let’s start off by talking about “Cybill.” I know it was semi-autobiographical. In the beginning, did you sit down with the writers and tell them specifically what elements of your life you wanted to include?
Cybill Shepherd: Well, it was a collaborative decision to base it on my life. The original series that I conceived as my comeback to television, was not at all like this. A woman had written a script, where my character had no female friends; all her friends were guys. So I said that I wanted two women at the center of this story. I want a great friendship at the center of this story, and I wanted my character to be different from Maddie Hayes, and from a lot of the characters I’d played in the past: all glamorous, and perfectly coiffed and gussied up. So I thought it would be great to have someone as my sidekick who would embody that, which would allow me to fall in the mud, take pies in the face, that kind of thing. Ultimately it would be Michael Patrick King, who was one of our writers, who said that Maryann was the razor, and I was the heart.

That was one of the things about the show that was so “shocking” initially was that your character actually had bad hair days, and was very de-glamorized. No leading lady had really done that since Lucille Ball.
Yes, exactly! I remember I called up (writer/co-exec producer) Chuck (Lorre) and said ‘Why don’t we have my character have her first grand-baby, and we’ll do an episode about that?’ He said “God, you’re so brave!” (laughs) We broke a lot of rules, and we got smacked down for it too, which is why the show didn’t run for as long as it should have.

Shepherd and guest star Morgan Fairchild in a clip from "Cybill." You broke major taboos for the mid-‘90s, in terms of how honestly you portrayed women. And this was three years prior to “Sex and the City,” which had the freedom to be on uncensored HBO, as opposed to a commercial network like CBS. The fact that you guys always pushed the envelope is what always kept me, and I’m sure viewers like me, interested. The Valentine’s Day episode, which was before Eve Ensler’s “Vagina Monologues,” I had come across this idea that Valentine’s Day was originally for “vagina.” So we went in with a very funny script about that, and the censors said “You can’t say ‘vagina.’” So we said to him, “How about ‘vulva’?” And he said “Okay.” And we’re all like “Holy fucking shit! Does he not know what that is?” (laughs) And he didn’t! So then we got in front of a live audience, and I go to the head writer and say ‘What if they don’t know what it is? Then they won’t laugh.’ “Well, let’s give it a try.” It was one of our highest-rated episodes and CBS said “Never do anything like that again!” (laughs) That will never be seen again on CBS. But it’s on the DVDs. That was the first nail in our coffin, really. We started to get buried after that. People started to really be over-vigilant. I was doing an episode on menopause, which is one of the funniest things to talk about in the world, and the network said “You cannot use any word to describe women’s biological functions except ‘Women’s biological functions.’” ‘So can we say “menopause”?’ “Yes.” ‘Can we say “menstruation”?’ “No.” ‘Can we say “period”?’ “No.” So during the first menstruation episode, we were throwing that shit around, like women do! So I said to the studio, ‘You’re going to have to go to the network, because I can’t do this episode unless I can refer to this in some way.’ They said “Okay, you can say ‘period.’” And that wound up being part of women’s health history and Time Magazine: the first time the word “period” was used in that way on network television. "Cybill" volume one DVD. You raise another interesting point. The woman I was dating at the time, we used to watch the show together, and she said to me “This is the way women talk when we’re together,” which most men never realize, that women can get every bit as down and dirty, if not more so, than men. No, they don’t realize that, and yes, we do! (laughs) It was the first time it had ever been done. You guys very cleverly combined that progressive sensibility with that of “I Love Lucy.”Yeah, it was my first chance to do broad comedy, and have the hair funny, and the shirt wrong, and the jeans that wouldn’t pull up over my butt. (laughs) Just like Lucille Ball: prior to “I Love Lucy,” she was a glamour girl, just like you were. And then she got “goofy” and reinvented herself, just as you did. Exactly, and that was my intention. If fact, there was a lot of criticism towards me, from one of the producers, who said that he was only trying to stop me from doing the “broad, Lucy-esque takes.” And the show was a hit! So we had to have a parting-of-the-ways because it was impossible to work with someone who was fighting you constantly because they had some sort of “Moonlighting” ideal that I had to be Maddie Hayes. You started out as a model, and for a majority of your career, you were a glamour girl, Maddie Hayes allowed you to branch out a bit, but did you feel objectified when you were younger, as if people didn’t really see “you,” only how pretty you were? Yes, also I remember seeing films like “His Girl Friday,” “My Man Godfrey,” and “Bringing Up Baby.” These women: Rosalind Russell, Carole Lombard, Katharine Hepburn, these gorgeous women, were falling down, doing shtick. And I remember thinking ‘I can do that, too.’ But it took forever (for other people to see me that way). Shepherd and Bruce Willis in a publicity shot from the '80s hit "Moonlighting." I always felt that Maddie Hayes was a Carole Lombard character. “Moonlighting” was a throwback to that era of screwball comedy from the ‘30s that you’re describing. Well, actually when I first read the 50 pages of “Moonlighting,” I went to (series creator) Glen Gordon Caron and said ‘You know what you’ve written?’ He said “What?” ‘A Howard Hawksian comedy!’ So we ran those movies. We studied those movies. With Bruce (Willis) on board, and that incredibly fast-paced dialogue, it was magic. In fact, those scripts were so dialogue-heavy that they were the longest TV scripts written up that point, right? Yes, because we talked so fast, that’s why we had to put ends and beginnings on all the scenes. I remember the last episode of “Cybill” ended on a cliffhanger. Someone’s boat had blown up…It said “To be continued…” Yes, and it was going to be so great how we continued it in the next episodes. They said we weren’t picked up because our budgets were too big, which was a lie. It was really about our deal that we had with the network, and somebody had to bite the bullet, and the network wasn’t going to do it because they’d been paying for everything. The studio had gotten this amazing deal with the network, one that no studio will ever get again, where they didn’t pay for anything until the show went into syndication. So what does that tell you? It’s never going to go into syndication, because why would they want to pay the network better? I thought this show was going to be buried in the salt mines, so the fact that it’s finally going to be available on DVD, it really moves me. My representatives and I have been fighting for this for ten years. Was it just about the numbers, or was that just the final straw in addition to the fact that the show was making the censors nervous? I think it was primarily about the numbers, that the studio would have to pay back this enormous amount of money, and the conflict with the censors didn’t help. But it was mostly about the money, which it usually is. Sometimes people don’t do the right things, you ask them why, and the response is because they could. L to R: Eddie Albert, Charles Grodin and Shepherd in "The Heartbreak Kid." I interviewed Lauren Bacall last year. Like yourself, she’s a strong woman who spoke her mind, and it seems that, male or female, in this business if you speak your mind, you’re automatically labeled as being “difficult.” If you’re a wet noodle in this business, do you notice how they tend to rise quickly, whereas if you’re the sort of person who puts their foot down and says “Bullshit,” it’s a tougher road? Miss Bacall said that’s really been the theme of her career: having to reinvent herself after being penalized for standing up for herself. Is that the key to surviving in Hollywood, continual reinvention? (laughs) That’s really interesting, and I agree. It’s tougher if you want to be treated with respect. You have to get back up and start up the mountain again. There’s a great gospel song that goes “I’m goin’ up the rough side of the mountain.” It’s so ironic and sort of extraordinary, this year is my comeback, with “Cybill” coming out on DVD, and my role on “The L Word,” and gradually it’s started to pay off wonderfully well. I’ve built this whole new fan base. I got guest spots on two other shows, and right now I’m working on my third feature film. I’ve been struggling the past decade. I’m not saying I’m poor, but it’s been a struggle to find something interesting to do. A lot of people don’t understand that you can be financially solvent, but if you’re an artist, someone who thrives on the creative process, it’s devastating if you’re not allowed to use those muscles. Yes, exactly. And I really disappeared the last ten years. I talk at length about this in my book, actually. But yes, if you aren’t able to create, or find some outlet that’s a fulfilling way to create, it’s tough, it’s painful. Shepherd in her film debut, "The Last Picture Show." Let’s talk about some of your other work. When Peter Bogdanovich discovered you for “The Last Picture Show,” did you have aspirations at that point to be an actor, or were you satisfied being a model? No. I hated being a model, in fact. I felt that people treated me like an object. They’d be really nice at the beginning of the photo shoot, and afterwards it was like I didn’t exist. Plus, I was so curious. I wanted to study. So when I was modeling full-time, I also went to college, first to Hunter College, then to The College of New Rochelle, then I went to NYU, and whenever I’d get a job, I’d finish a few classes, and then I had to leave. My final year was at USC, where they consider me an alumni. I never got my full degree, but I loved learning, and still do. Shepherd in Martin Scorsese's "Taxi Driver." What was your primary course of study? First it was art history, and then English literature. What was the “Picture Show” shoot like from the point-of-view of a 20 year-old kid? Well, it was amazing. Peter was my first acting teacher, and I was surrounded by this extraordinary cast. I was completely unencumbered by acting lessons. Every model in New York wanted to be an actor, except for me. I came to Peter completely un-messed with and un-self-conscious, and he was brilliant. I fell in love with making movies. During the shoot, I wouldn’t go home. I would sit on the set no matter what scene they were doing all night long. When you think that Robert Surtees photographed that, the man who the Academy Award for “Ben-Hur”! And then my next acting teacher was Elaine May on “The Heartbreak Kid,” who said to me “We’re going to improvise.” I said ‘What’s that?’ I didn’t even know what it was. So I had great teachers.

Shepherd and Charles Grodin in "The Heartbreak Kid." When you did “Taxi Driver” was it just another job at the time you were doing it, or did you know you were all creating magic? Oh no, it was love, love, love, love! We all knew. I never wanted it to end. We all made five thousand dollars for the movie, and shot with this skeleton crew. I’ll never forget the scene riding around New York in one of those old-style, big New York taxis, with Scorsese in the front seat and sound man in the trunk and the photographer…it was just magic, like we were stealing it. I had the same feeling on “Picture Show,” too. When they were both over, I just wept. Shepherd with Robert De Niro in "Taxi Driver." What was Scorsese’s process with actors?He always told me “Do less.” He’s a great fan of Hitchcock, and I talked to him about that, Hitch’s famous line to actors was “Don’t put a lot of scribble on your face.” Jason Robards said that once, too, when we worked together. He said “Acting is with your eyes, remember, not your face.” And Spencer Tracy really invented that, didn’t he?Oh, absolutely! God, I had some amazing mentors: Orson Welles…I was there for the end of the greats, for a world that’s gone now. I don’t know why Peter Bogdanovich doesn’t have a show on TV every week where he just talks to people, because when he’s gone, it’s really the end of an era. This town is rough. There aren’t any filmmaker/historians left like Bogdanovich. No, there aren’t. We’ve still got guys like Scorsese, and Spielberg who are students of film, film history and history in general, but there’s this whole anti-intellectual movement happening in our country right now that trickles down into pop culture, and is evident in the films that are being made. They’re anti-intellectual, anti-thought. Yeah, I just saw “Hamlet 2” the other night, and I totally agree with you. Any final thoughts about “Cybill” arriving on DVD? I thought “Cybill” was dead, and it turns out she’s alive. I had the chance when “Moonlighting” came out on DVD to watch all the episodes again years later and to comment on them. I found that nothing mattered except the work, and how brilliant it was, and thank you that I had the chance to be a part of it. When people start to see “Cybill” again, they’ll start to see that it was a great show, and the fans will have it back. And I’m back, not buried in a salt mine anymore in Utah!

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